PRESENT: France: Kunth (IAP), Pakull (Strasbourg), Dennefeld (Paris), Bouret (Marseille), Contini (Toulouse) Spain: Perez, Cervino (Granada), Herrero (IAC), UK: de Grijs (Sheffield), Smith (UCL) Germany: Fritze v.A. (Goettingen) Austria: Hensler (Vienna) Switzerland: Schaerer (Geneva) Mexico: E. Terlevich (Puebla), R. Terlevich (UK, Mexico) also participarted: Combes (Obs Paris), Stasinska (Meudon) Excused: Bressan (Italy) Beginning: 10:15 Overview ======== Daniel Kunth (PI) presents summary of proposed RTN structure (#nodes, #proposed PhD and post-doc projects) --> see his PPT presentation and tables distributed at the meeting Focus of the network ==================== A discussion on the main science objectives, the presentation of the proposal and related issues is held. ***de Grijs: focus on precise science objectives ***Stasinska: think in terms of training The main science aims can be categorized as follows (proposed by DK - from april meeting - for discussion) - stellar evolution - Mode of SF (sequential,...) - Feedback - From local to distant Methods: - Theory - Multi-lambda approach Legacy tools: - codes and modeling Discussion on general presentation of science case -------------------------------------------------- Focus on physics of MSFR which is crucial for numerous studies in galaxy formation and cosmology -- general agreement on this Separate our objectives from other issues addressed by other groups/proposed RTN (e.g. star formation, high-z galaxies, cosmology, young stellar clusters and IMF) Specific topics which should also be included - importance of dynamics for MSF in interacting galaxies (e.g. simulating influence of many parameters on IRG) - One line summary of science objective: Understand the physics of MSFR (from local to distant) and study the implications on galaxy formation/evolution and cosmology Summary of proposed science topics: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [the subsequent list has been established on the basis of the written material and additional last minute updates in order to identify the main scientific projects proposed by the various nodes] - Saclay: Impact of SF on the ISM, IR galaxy surveys, mid-IR mm/dust, (also HERSCHEL,SIRTF,JWST) - Strasbg: X-rays, RSG - Marseille: BCG, Ly-a emission - IAP: Ly-a emission mass loss from gals (chem. evol) SFR estimates dispersal of metals - Toulouse: chemical abundances in SB at different redshift, understanding origin and evolution of luminosity-metallicity relations - UCL: feedback from young massive clusters - Sheffield: stellar winds, stellar pops young stabursts gal.interacting and SF - St. Andrews: simulations and physics of feedback - Italy: SN, evol.of massive stars, chem.evol. and dyamics - Granada: MSFR in Galactic Nuclei stellar pops in MSFR (Legacy tools) interplay kinematics and SF phys and chemical strct of ISM in MSFR - IAC: stellar content in YMC (young massive clusters) and feedback - Madrid: stellar pops in post-SB BCG photoionisation models - Germany: environmental and metallicity dependence of SF processes feedback mode of SF - CH: Early phases of embedded MSFR (IR spectra of galaxies) Impact of chem&stellar evol. models on stellar pops + chem evol. - Mexico: Megadataset preparation LMT - Austria: Feedback, modes of SF chemodynamics - Sweden: SB from NIR-mm (APEX, JWST) The discussion on science topics is continue later (cf. below) Guides for submission ===================== [information is presented by N. Collain, CNRS. Questions concerning the formal procedures and allowed structures have been discussed] - seen from Brussels: "participants" as legal partners (organisations) which recruits (signs the contract) (e.g. CNRS in France) and one or more teams (which execute the research & training) - a participant does not NEED to hire. It can still be part of the RTN and receive funds for teaching and network activities (e.g. travel money) - associated institution: cannot claim funds but is part of research and training - it has to be kept in mind that Phd student or post-docs cannot spend more than 30 % of their total recruitment period in another country / at another institution (e.g. at another institute of the RTN). In this case he/she will have to be recruited by this other participant (see Handbook, visits and secondments, page 11) - Q: can the University fees (e.g. UK) be covered ? how ? This seems to be possible in principle. But not clear under which type of expenses. The following number of contracting nodes/participants are identified for the various countries: - France: 1 - Italy: 1-3 - Spain: 3 different participants - Germany: 1 - Switzerland: 1 - UK: 3 - Mexico: 1 - Austria: 1 - Sweden: 1 ---> total: 12-15 Various tips/hints to maximise the chances of the proposal discussed at the meeting include: - avoid overlap of specific expertise within one contracting node. Do not put several nodes with similar expertise together in one node. - typically ok: up to 30-40 % of post-docs compared to PhDs - typical total budget 2-3 MEuro - "underdeveloped" areas (which are favoured by EU): IAC, Granada, Sheffield Information from the 1st FP6 call is now available: 9 out of 45 (RTN?) proposals in physics/astronomy accepted; none in astronomy! 115 MEuro budgeted in total for nov 03 call Science topics (contd.) ======================= Mexican contribution: - MEGADATASETS already described - combination of large datasets of observations (Virtual Observatory) and models. Novel point: modeling. - LMT Teaching ======== - need information on possible courses (e.g. Saas Fee Course, Guillermo Haro workshop) which can be proposed by various nodes Legacy Tools ============ Basic idea: make available various codes and model results accessible through sophisticated interfaces and as source. First to be used as tools for RTN members for various research topics. After end of RTN: legacy for community possible codes: - evolutionary synthesis allowing - abundance determination from emission lines (existing e.g. IDL: ...; iraf: nebular) Preparation of project objectives and work plan =============================================== It is decided to group the topics in 4 broad categories: - stellar evolution - Mode of SF (sequential,...) - Feedback - From local to distant For each category few main subcategories and contributing teams have been identified to match precise teaching/research projects proposed by various groups of the RTN. One person was designated to "coordinate" each topic, and to compile/write the required information to be included in the proposal (see below). Stellar evolution (S): ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Topics for S1: Effects of rotation, magnetic fields, gravity waves, mass loss and metallicity on the evolution of massive and intermediate mass stars. Implications on stellar evolution and nucleosythesis. Topics for S2: Stellar atmospheres, stellar spectra To be included: connection between S1 - S2 --> Artemio, Ariane --> probable request: 1 PhD, 1 post-doc ACTION: Summary to be coordinated by D. Schaerer S3: Legacy Tool --> to be coordinated by Elena Terlevich (+Cervino) Feedback: ~~~~~~~~~ 3 subcategories: - FR radiative - FM mechanical - FCh chemical but also dust + ISM modeling and diagnostics - ISM, dust modeling etc. ACTION: Suzanne Madden - coordinate proposed research on this subject (potentially concerned teams: CEA, Italy/Bressan, Austria, Geneva, Mexico) - feedback at small scales: ACTION: to be coordinated by Linda Smith (concerned: UCL, Mexico/R.Terlevich, Geneva?) - feedback on galaxy scales: Specific topics to be addressed - escape or not of material out of galaxies ? - interaction HII - HI (Kunth) ACTION: to be coordinated by Gerhard Hensler (concerned: IAP, Modes of SF ~~~~~~~~~~~ 3-4 subcategories: - MII isolated versus interacting galaxies/environments e.g. clusters in isolated DG vs interacting galaxies, importance of infall rate?, gravitational potential? ACTION: to be coordinated by Uta Fritze v.A. (Goettingen, Saclay, Austria, Sheffield, Sweden, Marseille) - MIMF IMF related to mode of SF ? (Sheff, St.Andrews, Munich (Lehnert), Granada, Geneva, Mexico/R.Terlevich) ACTION: to be coordinated by Richard de Grijs - MCB continuous versus burst \ not treated - MDC diffuse versus clusters / SF from local to distant ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ subcategories: - AZ age-Z degeneracy in integrated ACTION: to be coordinated by R. Terlevich (Sheffield, Italy, Spain) - LD-RES resolution versus integrated studies/diagnostics e.g. Ly-a emission, understanding, physics, observations ACTION: to be coordinated by Kunth + DS (IAP, Mexico, Marseille, Madrid, +Terlevich HI) also: embedded young SSCs, studies of their stellar populations IMF, Mup, their contribution to integrated mid-IR spectra of galaxies, interpretation of spatially integrated diagnostics in the IR (Geneva, CEA/Saclay, Italy) - MSFR in AGN - questions: masses, ages of stellar pops? connection with interacting galaxies ACTION: to be coordinated by Rosa Gonzalez (Granada, Madrid, Terlevich's, Sheffield, Toulouse?, Marseille?) - SFR indicators, bolometric SFR ACTION: to be coordinated by Michel Dennefeld (Marseille, Mexico, Italy ...) - large datasets -- left out ------------------------------- Things to be specified in detail by the "topic coordinators" (following instructions and the example of FP6 RTN proposal) B1. project objectives B1.5. Work plan science tasks technical tasks Including: - resources required (PhD, post-docs) - duration - description of split between different institutes ------ The meeting stops sept 11 at 18:30 Notes by DS